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Rondel Linder  

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Trying to give useful critique

Journal Entry: Thu Jul 8, 2004, 11:31 PM
Someone recently commented on my previous Journal entry, about "The nerve-wracking business of offering comments and critique", saying that I seemed to be a "no bullshit" kind of person. :lol:

I have to admit that that wouldn't be entirely inaccurate... ;) ...although I do lean more toward being as tactful as possible, and packaging critique in a "sandwich" form.

So, since my original reply to their comment was so long that it seemed to merit a Journal entry of its own, here it is:

"How to Make a Critique Sandwich"

First I try to comment on the piece's strength(s), *then* on the areas that would probably be the best place to focus on improving (in my opinion), and then I try to finish off with an encouraging comment, making it clear that since everyone can always improve, having places where one can improve is not necessarily the same as having "weak points" in the piece.

I do think that people tend to respond to critique best when it is offered in a really appreciative and supportive way -- but I've never seen the point in making no comments other than "ooh, aah, ohh". :lol:

So if I can't find *something* positive to comment on, I tend not to critique a piece; after all, what's the point in telling someone "this is a complete piece of dogbarf, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever"; in a case like that, I couldn't make any suggestions on how to improve it, without starting with "make an entirely different piece of artwork, which looks nothing like this one".

On the other hand, if I like the concept, that constitutes a strength on which the person can build, and making a suggestion or two on how to start improving the execution can be balanced and justified by that strength.

Sometimes people create artworks that are incredibly beautiful, and in which I can find no flaw, and about those, I have no compunctions about going "ooh, ahh, ohh" -- after all, knowing our strengths is just as useful to our continued improvement as knowing which areas most need improvement, because it is our strengths that we need to build upon, in order to keep improving.

But, the more perfect an artistic creation is, the smaller the flaws which I will critique, because they are all that is left standing between the piece and perfection. :) That's not to say that I believe in nit-picking a piece to death, though; I prefer to limit the number of suggestions I make with regard to any given piece, because I think one of the important things to remember when offering helpful critique is not to overwhelm the person, and make them feel that the piece is an utter botch, and not worth the work of "fixing". I see critique as being less about "fixing" any given piece, than about the artist's growth over time.

I guess what it comes down to in the end is that I try to give the kind of critique I would like to receive. That means things like focusing my suggestions on the points that are easiest to improve, so that the artist can *see* their progress, from one piece to the next, and will have more strengths to build upon, when they take the next step forward.

We don't tell a baby "okay, that was a good first step, now here are all the things you're doing wrong, that are keeping you from running like Cathy Freeman". If they could understand what was being said to them, they'd probably sit down and howl and never try to walk again.

Growth happens in steps and stages. Respecting that is, in my opinion, a big part of giving *useful* critique.

Devious Information

  • Current Age: 30something
  • Current Residence: the outskirts of a rural Australian nowhere
  • Interests: Art, music, reading, writing, learning, teaching, handicrafts, and creativity of all kinds
  • Favourite movie: I can't pick just one, sorry!
  • Favourite band or musician: Ken Linder *grin*
  • Favourite genre of music: Acoustic folk
  • Favourite artist: I still can't pick just one, sorry! Not in a world shared by Picasso, Dali, Escher, Georgia O'Keefe
  • Favourite poet or writer: Me! ;> Oh, and R.A. MacAvoy and Elizabeth Scarborough
  • Favourite photographer: Still too close to call, but Marion Skydancer and Ansel Adams make the short list
  • Favourite style or digital art: Sketching, multimedia, and tablet-based digital art
  • Operating System: Windozzz... *snore*
  • MP3 player of choice: RealOne
  • Shell of choice: Cowrie, Nautilus, and Dentalium... ;)
  • Wallpaper of choice: Rotating, always a nature scene
  • Skin of choice: my husband's epidermis *wink*
  • Favourite game: Pente will do, for today...
  • Favourite gaming platform: Varied - I like a wide variety of games.
  • Favourite cartoon character: Eliza Thornberry - reminds me of my childhood...
  • Personal Quote: A word of wisdom, heeded at the right time, can save one a wealth of experience.
  • Tools of the Trade: Graphite pencils, coloured pencils, digital art programs, digital camera, and a graphics tablet

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~eyemageone:iconeyemageone: Feb 27, 2008, 11:32:36 AM
welcome back!

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~Oxca:iconOxca: Aug 23, 2007, 5:16:21 PM
hi! i hear you give out good concrit, would it be too much to ask if you took a peak at my gallery?

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*elizabathory:iconelizabathory: Apr 14, 2007, 5:08:25 AM
:handshake: Thanks for your sweet comment :) You may of course take a look at my gallery, any time ;)

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~Rain-Fairie:iconRain-Fairie: Apr 10, 2007, 2:51:19 AM
hi! :wave: thank you for the :+fav:

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~Elysiann:iconElysiann: Mar 7, 2007, 5:51:23 AM
Thanks for the watch, and Very kewl gallery you have here :D

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~Rescyou:iconRescyou: Aug 29, 2006, 11:38:52 PM
Tks for the comments, very much appreciated.

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~copperphoenix:iconcopperphoenix: Aug 10, 2006, 9:34:17 AM Mood: Artistic
Thank you! Always nice to know that people like the work displayed here thus far (though as always, I feel vastly behind in updating my gallery... :gallery:). :)

I love your avatar -- it's so expressive!

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=Princess-of-Shadows:iconPrincess-of-Shadows: Jul 31, 2006, 12:02:44 PM
:wave: Hi there! Lovely gallery you have here =]




:heart:


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~elly-mae:iconelly-mae: Jun 11, 2006, 1:17:32 AM
goodluck for the title of best aussie photographer!!

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=D=D

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~djhinn:icondjhinn: Apr 10, 2006, 10:43:44 AM
Thanks for the fave :D
*dutchshun:icondutchshun: Dec 26, 2005, 3:35:59 AM
I love stained glass windows ~

Peace 2006

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*asymons:iconasymons: Nov 7, 2005, 5:18:45 AM
Rondel, thank you for your beautiful words on my page... :hug:
.. and the :+devwatch: ...and :omfg: a fellow Aussie to boot!!! :bucktooth:

yes... my journal is rather epic at the moment.. but the good thing is that it will stay there for a while... :giggle: ... i usually just sneak in and tweak different little bits and not pester anyone with alerts....

i'm totally fascinated with the world cams at the moment, if you couldn't tell.. :giggle:... it's an amazing world we live in where i can sit at my desk here in Oz and see live images from the pyramids, or Eifel Tower, or a waterhole in Sth Africa... amazing stuff...

Thank you for the birthday wishes for friday... heh... last year i took myself off to Fiji to avoid all the hoo-haa... :party: in hindsight... a brilliant move!!!! :lmao:

now.. i'm off to investage your gallery.... and thank you again for your lovely comment.. :hug: what part of Oz are you from?

:glomp: :wave:

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~mountain-troll:iconmountain-troll: Nov 3, 2005, 2:23:24 PM
Thanks for the watch, muchly appreciated! :)

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~invitationtotheblues:iconinvitationtotheblues: Oct 6, 2005, 9:09:32 AM
Hey, thanks very much for the friending. :)
*larkin-art:iconlarkin-art: Aug 24, 2005, 8:05:38 PM
hello and thank you for the fav!:

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=Wohmatak:iconWohmatak: Aug 7, 2005, 2:01:32 AM
:heart: :)

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`aquapell:iconaquapell: Jul 11, 2005, 4:15:16 AM
Thanks Rondel! I am sorry it's taken so long to get back to you :(


Alex

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`Halcyon83:iconHalcyon83: Jun 21, 2005, 1:01:48 AM
thx alot for the :+fav: on Teleportation [link]

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~killfreethings:iconkillfreethings: Jun 12, 2005, 1:45:42 PM
thank you so much for taking the time to read and favourite Punkin. [link]

much appreciated. really.
=enui:iconenui: Jun 7, 2005, 1:34:35 PM
thank you for the little star!
:thanks:

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~organ-donor:iconorgan-donor: Apr 19, 2005, 4:25:45 AM
hey was just looking through my gallery and saw huge and helpful comments u made on one of my pics.. it's much appreciated and helped me.. thanks again. hope ur ok!

:)

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~Janigany:iconJanigany: Apr 8, 2005, 7:20:37 AM
You have a lovely gallery here! And you are indead a deviant of many talents with so much variation in your artwork. So keep up the lovely work!
~hiddenhallow:iconhiddenhallow: Feb 13, 2005, 11:21:51 AM
Hi!
I remember you giving me the very first comments when I joined DA half of year ago. I must say, it was a very usefull a motivating thing to me and just wanted to ask your opinion about my works now. It's very interesting to hear what you have to say, because every word from you counts. It' true
~cutesaru18:iconcutesaru18: Jan 18, 2005, 9:56:29 PM
I was just browsing through when I came upon your gallery. I really love your fractal works. I hope that you'll post more in the future.

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`Windy999:iconWindy999: Dec 26, 2004, 9:03:11 AM
Many thanks for the +watch!

Very much appreciated

Apologies for the late reply by I had a dead PC on my hands :( - all better now (new PC :D)

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